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- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:23:52 +0900
- From: Darren Cook <darren@example.com>
- Subject: Re: [tlug] Giving a program priority briefly
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>> The thing that impresses me is that not one of you mentions >> *specification*... > > That's because, for typical business and productivity systems, a level > of specification greater than "arm-waving" is, in the majority of cases, > useless. Most clients, product managers and even developers who are > also the product managers don't know all that well what they want, and > thinking about it doesn't generally help that much. It's very often > faster to kick around some ideas, do a rough implementation, examine the > result, and run round that loop a few more times than it is to try to > write a spec. Exactly. Though, as Josh pointed out ("[you have to] get the customer to sign off on *some* kind of spec") you need a good client relationship to do this. As a typical example I may get a request for a web form that has to "grab customer data, put it in a database and be cool". That is the requirements document, and "cool" might be spelt "kewl". Now I can either sit down for some long meetings with the client, draw screenshots, type up a spec, get a sign off then spend 20 hours developing. Or I can say, "I can give you a barebones version, that actually works, for 5 hours work, and then we'll discuss what needs to be added." As I do that 5 hours I'll email off questions like, "do you want name as one field, split as surname/forename, or don't care" as they occur to me. Less risk (*) and more efficient use of resources for the client, and more time spent on the enjoyable stuff for me. But you need a client who can cope. A dry Japanese manager is normally going to care more about lots of paper specs up front than efficient resource usage. After all this is a country where it takes 6 men to change a street lightbulb: one to go up the ladder, two to hold the ladder, two to direct traffic, and one to supervise and take photos of the light before and after. Darren *: I.e. they discover after 5 hours not 20-30 hours that they actually wanted something very different. -- Darren Cook http://dcook.org/mlsn/ (English-Japanese-German-Chinese free dictionary) http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/work/charts/ (My flash charting demos)
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