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- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:44:39 +0900
- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@example.com>
- Subject: [tlug] Democracy and its discontents [was: Pretending to be outside Japan?]
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Benjamin Tayehanpour writes: > > But I don't think the "first world" governments you speak of are > > actually any better. The elites there have different ways of keeping > > their politicians in line, that's all. And in the end, it comes down > > to "democracy is the worst form of government...". > > Actually, that's more of a flaw in the implementation rather than in > democracy itself. No, it's a flaw in democracy. "Many eyes == shallow bugs" is a fallacy: wisdom is not additive.[1] That's why in voluntary associ- ations the BDFL[2] system works so well. Python and Linux are better software in many ways than Emacs because GvR and Linus make better design and implementation decisions than RMS[3]. However, in government dictatorships suck because the definition of government is "you didn't ask for it, but you got it." Emigration is expensive, and typically the grass is browner where you end up. So you need a system where everybody has a say. But opinions differ, so you get the committee effect (aka, everybody has to take their own piss in the soup). And some people are stupid (viz, Spiro Agnew and Sarah Palin) and vicious (same examples will do ;-). And everybody is greedy (== wants things their own way, which might be altruistic, but what typically passes for altruism is really paternalism). Finally, despite frequent claims that "legislative gridlock" is an "implementation problem", as you put it, it certainly requires a lack of consensus. Nor is it always bad[4] -- as the Zen of Python puts it, "Although never is often better than *right* now." Footnotes: [1] There is a "many" effect, of course, but it's more "many hands make light work." [2] Benevolent Dictator for Life. [3] A genius, indeed, but unfortunately he's a better philosopher than politician, a better politician than economist, a better economist than software architect, and a better architect than engineer. [4] Though probably it usually is, at least IMVHO: "Now is better than never." (Zen of Python, again)
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