Re: tlug: Admin: TLUG Bank Account Number

["Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@example.com>]

>>>>> "Alberto" == A Tomita,Jr <Alberto@example.com> writes:

    Alberto> In message
    Alberto> <Pine.LNX.3.96.971030135604.372A-100000@example.com>
    Alberto> Craig wrote:
    >>> The name on the front of the 通帳 is Tokyo Linux Users Group.
    >>> The name printed in the book isトウキヨウリナツクスウーザーグルー
    >>> プ

    Alberto> I'm using MHE on top of Emacs 18.59.1, both from
    Alberto> JE-0.9.8a, and I can read it.

And so can I; now that NEmacs (I guess; although there were Mules
based on Emacs 18) has translated it to ISO-2022-JP.  However, neither
NEmacs nor JE give a whack about complying with standards, they only
want to display Japanese correctly in as many cases as possible
without user intervention.  This is a laudable goal, and I approve of
it in the abstract.

However, I hang out on mailing lists where I need to be able to read
"Hrvoje Nik,B9i,Bf" as well as 「小田クレーグ」.  And that informs my
perspective....

Did you get the Latin-2 caron and accent diacriticals?  (Possibly, if
you're using Mule and not NEmacs, and have the fonts installed.)  How
about you Pine users?  Not a snowball's chance....

    >> Either tell Pine you're defaulting to 8-bit EUC (maybe
    >> "charset=ISO-2022-8" or "charset=x-euc-jp" will do, although

    Alberto> The header of Craig's message says the message was using
    Alberto> ISO-2022-JP:

Well, it definitely was not using ISO-2022-JP.

That is a seven-bit encoding AFAIK.[1]  I'm not _sure_ that ISO-2022-8
will work; I've never tried it.  But ISO-2022-JP _should_ fail to
produce correct display of Craig's message, if not for 8-bit-ness,
then because Craig's message had no `kanji-in' sequences.  (In fact,
this last makes me pretty sure that `ISO-2022-8' won't work; that's
why the non-standard `x-euc-jp' content type got invented, I bet.)

But most Japanese software is intentionally broken (more politely,
non-compliant), so that it can read the messages produced by all the
legacy broken software and other intentionally broken software here in 
the .jp domain :-(


Footnotes: 
[1]  My books on m17n are at home, or I'd look it up and be positive.


Next TLUG meeting is Saturday Dec. 13, 1997  (possibly Nov. 13?)
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